Racechip Development for the i20N

[NeonLight]

Hello my friend... yes, but DTUCK is a dealer of DTE Systems from Germany too how RaceChip... but them get +50cv... the difference is many...I not know how because in theory is the same system...

And for e-mail looks more receptive to service support...

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DTE is better?... Racechip 2.0 update exist?

 

[valenpa]

Good afternoon to you,

the authors of the previous video published the results of the dyno test

Enjoy your view and have a good weekend, ciao

 

[Maverick]

What's the saying… One picture is worth 1000 words… This is what you should keep from the whole 19 mins:



In my opinion, they're both shit for what they cost (500EUR+++)…

I'd wait for a proper, safe software from reputable tuners… It's the same story as the i30N was at its release, repeated all over again…

 

[gpaaa]

What's the saying… One picture is worth 1000 words… This is what you should keep from the whole 19 mins:

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In my opinion, they're both shit for what they cost (500EUR+++)…

I'd wait for a proper, safe software from reputable tuners… It's the same story as the i30N was at its release, repeated all over again…

No my friend. From what i see, dte program is very decent. Keep in mind that cars have stock exhaust, gpf and downpipe with all cats in place!! A FREE flow exhaust with downpipe can free at least 10 more ponies, so 240 ps with 38nm of torgue is more than enough for the weight of the car. With just a dte is faster than an old stock i30n.

 

[Maverick]

Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. With no additional mods, a proper remap will produce much better results (+40PS +70NM). If it's anything like the i30N, for a stage 1 remap, you don't need to touch anything else (intake/exhaust/turbo/cooling). Plus, it'll be more reliable, with support from your tuner if you have any problems.

 

[gpaaa]

Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. With no additional mods, a proper remap will produce much better results (+40PS +70NM). If it's anything like the i30N, for a stage 1 remap, you don't need to touch anything else (intake/exhaust/turbo/cooling). Plus, it'll be more reliable, with support from your tuner if you have any problems.

40+ with safety and just a remap, is achievable only for 2.000cc + engines. Bear in mind that we are talking for small 1590 cc engines, which have to keep very very strict European 6d pollution norms. Dte program achieved almost +70nm of torgue so, its pretty decent. if we had a decent exhaust with a custom downpipe, 240-245 is reachable, and if we delete gpf and cat, 250 +.
But i20n is not a car for straight roads. Take it to a twist, B-road, and you will have a permanent smile on your face.

 

[NeonLight]

What's the saying… One picture is worth 1000 words… This is what you should keep from the whole 19 mins:

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In my opinion, they're both shit for what they cost (500EUR+++)…

I'd wait for a proper, safe software from reputable tuners… It's the same story as the i30N was at its release, repeated all over again…

If not increese the power of announces... yes is better wait for reflash for OBD... with stage one...you should get better results and for low price.

 

[OneTwoWhatever]

Here is what is really strange.

The first chart is from the RaceChip's video and the lines look as you would expect them in terms of how they relate to the thin stock readings. But in the Car Jackals' video below the RaceChip's lines for both power and torque are exactly the same as the stock ones all the way up to 2700 rpm. What is happening?

A tin foil hat on my head reluctantly whispers in my ear that in the info for both DTE vs RaceChip videos on their channel you can find a code or something to get a small discount for the DTE products. Normally content creators get something if their code is used by clients.

 

[gpaaa]

My friend, if you could speak Greek, you should know by now, that the problem which car jackals detected in the comparison dyno, was not the absolute less power that racechip did, in comparison with dte.
The problem is detected in the shape of the curve for the racechip program. In other words, the drop in power (ditch) which racechip software does to the car between 4990 and 5400 rounds per minute , which the dte program has correct.
Bear in mind that stock car does the same drop in power in these rpms too, but when you pay 500 euros to buy software, you are expecting that racechip guys who had the car long time, and could use the dyno, would have detected and corrected this drop in power, thus the power and torgue curve would be more linear.
Last but not least, racechip could improve their software by adding 1 degree of advance timming, downlow (3000 rpms to 4600) and close the huge gap with dte, but they didnt.
Differences of software are not observed only in dyno, but we saw it with our own eyes when we watched both cars, running head to head, in the open road.
So its not that someone was payed from dte or racechip. Its a forum, which likes to inform members, about the reality of the tuning products we find and buy for our i20n cars.
As dte has already update once their software based on real data, we expect from racechip to fine tune their software ,make the power and torgue curve more linear, and send the update version via their bluetooth program, and make their customers happy.

Here is what is really strange.

The first chart is from the RaceChip's video and the lines look as you would expect them in terms of how they relate to the thin stock readings. But in the Car Jackals' video below the RaceChip's lines for both power and torque are exactly the same as the stock ones all the way up to 2700 rpm. What is happening?

A tin foil hat on my head reluctantly whispers in my ear that in the info for both DTE vs RaceChip videos on their channel you can find a code or something to get a small discount for the DTE products. Normally content creators get something if their code is used by clients.

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[OneTwoWhatever]

That is a lot of words and absolutely nothing on the matter that I am trying to bring up. Which is the what happens before 2700 rpm.

And you don't really need to understand the language to notice that the RaceChip's approach was to often follow the stock curve structure. There could be a number of reasons to that if you keep in mind the tech that used in the engine. It is just as well visible in their own video.

 

[gpaaa]

That is a lot of words and absolutely nothing on the matter that I am trying to bring up. Which is the what happens before 2700 rpm.

And you don't really need to understand the language to notice that the RaceChip's approach was to often follow the stock curve structure. There could be a number of reasons to that if you keep in mind the tech that used in the engine. It is just as well visible in their own video.

if you see the curves in their own video (

in 3,34 seconds), its totally perfect! And the power they initially claimed was not 231, but 242 with perfect power and torgue curves. As far what you state for bellow 2700, the answer is pretty easy. The user of the dynometer, did not press the pedal gas exactly at 2000, as this is not the case with a performance software.
Now the stock curves of the car, are like that - with power ditches, simply because stock programming is taking into consideration pollution, economy, endurance, etc, while aftermarket software should take into consideration only performance, because if i want economy, i can switch to eco mode, or stock map, when ever i like!
As i have program the ecu of many cars like honda for more than 20 years, (k20, b18 etc, nissan sr20de, det ) and have access to windband and dyno, i know what i am talking about and i have test what i am saying.
The truth is both tuners declair false numbers, and the power the car gains is 15 hp for racechip and 20 for dte, which for a paralel system is ok. What is not ok for 599 euros is the power and torgue shape of the curves of powerchips.

 

[OneTwoWhatever]

Of course you are the expert of all experts. Awesome. If only I could understand some of what you write better, honestly.

Maybe you could expertly deduct that maybe, just maybe there is a reliability related reason to follow the manufacturer curve taking into the consideration the basic principle of replacing the variables and the systems that the engine employs. And possibly there could be a reason for a company to choose a certain approach when it's fairly easy to tweak the product.

The chart I've posted is from that video. Are you saying that RaceChip has somehow faked their result? There is also a small drop just earlier that is absent from the Greek chart and it could be for various reasons. Could even be one of the systems like Virtual Turbospeed Control interfering for example. Would be weird, but it would explain the variability maybe.

They are claiming +31 which is neither 231 nor 242 by the way. But their car has produced 208 or 209 just like a bunch of others that have been on a dyno already.

And I just cannot grasp what exactly are you saying about the "below 2700" thing.

By the way, I do not have any affinity for RaceChip and I do not have any prejudices against DTE either. But if I was to choose a product I would not be able to overlook certain nuances here and there.

 

[SteveDek]

I am using the Racechip GTS since September (4 months now). Of course my i20N has a free flow exhaust, GPF delete and a Pipercross panel filter so not only the chip box. I am using the RC GTS on default factory setting, 5.

What I have noticed is the following;

- the car ECU 'learned' the chip box after 100km, so you have to wait a bit to be optimized
- 98RON or even 100RON fuel is better, do not listen to '95RON is ok' and bla bla
- the more rpm the better
- on 5th 6th gear above 160km/h when you fully press the accelerator this engine goes mad, no comparison to stock
- mid range is better, I would say ECO is like NORMAL, NORMAL is like SPORT, etc
- low range no significant noticeable change, of course this engine is not for low rpm, mid & high range a lot better

 

[gpaaa]

Of course you have the right to believe and say whatever you like, and you probably respect my right to say and write what i believe and see from devices like widebands, dyno which i own or have access too. Plus my experience.
As far as reliability and "warranty" is concerning, i inform you that its not valid for Greece and for many other countries, Do you know why? IF you support your product and you "tune" the engine for maximum reliabilty, then you are sure about it and you give the warranty to all users who pay exactly the same amount of money for your product and not only for one part. And surely as you say, they claim +31, which if you add it to 208 - 209 stock averages to 240.
If you want to be honest and precice to clients you could say, with our chip, a free flow exhaust, a gpf delete and an intake, you should expect +31 gains, otherwise 15 maximum.
Last but not least, the notion of a forum is exaclty what you describe, not to hear and base your choice on nuances, but to find out if the claimed figures matches the real ones, not only for power and torgue curves, but for the "hidden ones" like ...warranty.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Of course you are the expert of all experts. Awesome. If only I could understand some of what you write better, honestly.

Maybe you could expertly deduct that maybe, just maybe there is a reliability related reason to follow the manufacturer curve taking into the consideration the basic principle of replacing the variables and the systems that the engine employs. And possibly there could be a reason for a company to choose a certain approach when it's fairly easy to tweak the product.

The chart I've posted is from that video. Are you saying that RaceChip has somehow faked their result? There is also a small drop just earlier that is absent from the Greek chart and it could be for various reasons. Could even be one of the systems like Virtual Turbospeed Control interfering for example. Would be weird, but it would explain the variability maybe.

They are claiming +31 which is neither 231 nor 242 by the way. But their car has produced 208 or 209 just like a bunch of others that have been on a dyno already.

And I just cannot grasp what exactly are you saying about the "below 2700" thing.

By the way, I do not have any affinity for RaceChip and I do not have any prejudices against DTE either. But if I was to choose a product I would not be able to overlook certain nuances here and there.

 

[gpaaa]

Steve, i totally agree with you. Nobody who uses racechip, has ever say that there is no noticeable differences, at least above 3000-3500 rpms. Furthermore the use of 98 and 100 ron fuel, makes the engine produces its best, and not pull down timming.
I wish you Merry Cristmas and happy new year too, if you like, you can send me through pm the phone of your son in Greece to ask him about exhaust shop, or if you are in Greece- Athens we can meet for a cup of coffee.

I am using the Racechip GTS since September (4 months now). Of course my i20N has a free flow exhaust, GPF delete and a Pipercross panel filter so not only the chip box. I am using the RC GTS on default factory setting, 5.

What I have noticed is the following;

- the car ECU 'learned' the chip box after 100km, so you have to wait a bit to be optimized
- 98RON or even 100RON fuel is better, do not listen to '95RON is ok' and bla bla
- the more rpm the better
- on 5th 6th gear above 160km/h when you fully press the accelerator this engine goes mad, no comparison to stock
- mid range is better, I would say ECO is like NORMAL, NORMAL is like SPORT, etc
- low range no significant noticeable change, of course this engine is not for low rpm, mid & high range a lot better

 

[OneTwoWhatever]

It seems like you are actively coming after RaceChip for whatever reason. No one mentioned the warranty really, my point was in a whole other universe, which you do not seem to be interested talking about. Just like about the matching curves thing.

But since you have touched on the topic surely there aren't factors ranging from bureaucracy to fuel quality and chances of people cutting corners in servicing that can influence availability, absolutely not. And the cars from the 15 select countries are either protected by a magic spell or the people in these countries all drive in a more relaxed manner (not really).

My guy, the nuance is that there is some shady stuff happening in the chart, that is all. And it would be awesome if someone else shared their thoughts on the actual matter, please.

 

[gpaaa]

It seems that you are actively defend racechip for whatever reason, by implying indirectly that a voice in your ear tells you that results were changed because of a promotion code of 10 percent which car jackals mentioned and did not hide! woww i guess its santas voice what you hear!
i have answered your original question, i guess you didnt see it. Go back and check why i think the curve BELOW 2500 rpm seems like the original one!
I wont post anything else, as a voice is whispering inmy ears that you dont like data, coming from other neutral sources! You just like others to believe what they tell them without searching or proof!
Last but not least i have say exactly the same for DTE, in other words that they promise 254 hp, while they cant achieve even half
I wish you a happy new year

It seems like you are actively coming after RaceChip for whatever reason. No one mentioned the warranty really, my point was in a whole other universe, which you do not seem to be interested talking about. Just like about the matching curves thing.

But since you have touched on the topic surely there aren't factors ranging from bureaucracy to fuel quality and chances of people cutting corners in servicing that can influence availability, absolutely not. And the cars from the 15 select countries are either protected by a magic spell or the people in these countries all drive in a more relaxed manner (not really).

My guy, the nuance is that there is some shady stuff happening in the chart, that is all. And it would be awesome if someone else shared their thoughts on the actual matter, please.

 

[OneTwoWhatever]

I guess you are paying more attention to my tin foil hat theory then I do apparently. This whole angle is not the focus of my attention. The identical lower rev curve that is not supposed to be like that is. I saw what you said about it and replied that I cannot make sense of what you are saying there. Language wise exclusively.

I am not really convinced that RaceChip needs me or anyone else to defend their product. I am merely replying to the random negativity that you keep bringing up even though it is not connected to the question I am asking. My curiosity was and is attracted by this one thing and you just stormed in yelling "RaceChip bad because one, two, three, four, five".

Claims from companies are often optimistic. Manufacturers, tuners, whatever. But it's funny that apparently a person looking for actual objectivity in data "doesn't like data coming from a neutral source", some charming logic. Please stop trying to win an argument that does not exist without you forcing it.

 

[Kubakko]

many years ago we did some fake measurements , here you can see how to boost some power with touching brake in a car powertrain loses power curve and about 4-5% hp more , you can do this trick also with less dyno brake force
But I don't know what for this argument , boxes are shit , EOT

 

[gpaaa]

You are totally right my friend, this is one way to cheat, another is to put a much higher temperature than the one you face when you measure the car , and there are many more concerning the "set up" of the car (torgue and step for the right gear to measure. I have wateched many of the above to be done and i agree 100% with you.

many years ago we did some fake measurements , here you can see how to boost some power with touching brake in a car powertrain loses power curve and about 4-5% hp more , you can do this trick also with less dyno brake force
But I don't know what for this argument , boxes are shit , EOT