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It's more about; Braking Upgrade Discussion
Take it for what it is. It's more to demonstrate Forge are actively involved in racing in general. Most all of their parts, are utilized in all sorts of racing venues, including brake systems.
In this case I must agree with @without - in a world of racing brake systems, Forge is noboy. None of Forge sponsored real racing cars will run their brakes. Forge BBK-s are nice cheap kit for street usage. Forge BBK is also very heavy and that cheap price must come from somewhere.
From the act:
Although the act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered.
The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance.
READ: Lawyer food...
I completely aware this particular statement isn't false. If it was then Forge would be subject to false advertisement.
I'll reserve my personal judgement on a company, who's been around longer than some of the forum members here.
Heavier or not which hasn't been determined with a full comparison with other brands, they're fully capable of sustained high performance and racing venues. Lightness, doesn't denote better overall performance. Quality of materials and worship do though.
I don't see them as cheap. Cheap, denotes poorly manufactured and I don't believe this is the case. Maybe less expensive then some but this certainly doesn't denote poorly manufactured or less capable than another brand does it?
This^ being the case, the warrantor will have to demonstrate, the above was in fact not accomplished and the car was abused the majority of the time by the owner. I don't know any owner who is conscientious about their car will purposely do so on a regular basis. Keep in mind, If the aftermarket parts are in sufficient working order, all maintenance was accomplished and the car was properly utilized IAW (ie', Hyundai Assurance Track Warranty), they don't have a leg to stand on. Thus, Hyundai will have to uphold the claim.
Accentuated "From the act:" not the Act as a whole. The entire M-MA needs to be read, for an actual true perspective.
The manufacturer or warrantor must prove without a doubt, it was primarily/specifically caused by the addition or inclusion of the aftermarket part. What is quoted above; is only a small part of this consumer act covering automobiles.
https://www.ftc.gov/industry/automobiles
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title15-chapter50&edition=prelim
Happy reading!!
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Like I stated above; lighter brakes, rotors, and calipers, don't denote better performance.
There is a limitation to how much weight you can trim off a car, before it becomes unstable and affects handling adversely. Aerodynamics has a bit to play in this as well. However, this is another subject, just as warranty discussions.
Brakes need to first, be durable. Lighter components don't make brakes more durable or able to shed heat quicker. Some heat, is essential for proper braking operation and to perform consistently.
Some additional forces like; maximum lateral acceleration, weight distribution, unsprung weight, load transfer, center of gravity, circle of forces, brake bias and even momentum, need to be considered when reducing rolling weights and upgrading brakes systems. What you're actually looking for is; a lower centre of mass, for a performance advantage without compromising handling.
Another system that has to be considered is the ABS system. It's a matched component with the OEM system. Can you overwhelm the system with larger and more powerful brakes? You sure can! This can also adversely affect handling performance.
It's just not about bolting on a lighter BBK and expecting the car to to perform better overall. Doesn't happen without other changes to suspension components, etc. There is far more to consider for optimal braking performance and upgrading to a BBK.
There is a limitation to how much weight you can trim off a car, before it becomes unstable and affects handling adversely. Aerodynamics has a bit to play in this as well. However, this is another subject, just as warranty discussions.
Brakes need to first, be durable. Lighter components don't make brakes more durable or able to shed heat quicker. Some heat, is essential for proper braking operation and to perform consistently.
Some additional forces like; maximum lateral acceleration, weight distribution, unsprung weight, load transfer, center of gravity, circle of forces, brake bias and even momentum, need to be considered when reducing rolling weights and upgrading brakes systems. What you're actually looking for is; a lower centre of mass, for a performance advantage without compromising handling.
Another system that has to be considered is the ABS system. It's a matched component with the OEM system. Can you overwhelm the system with larger and more powerful brakes? You sure can! This can also adversely affect handling performance.
It's just not about bolting on a lighter BBK and expecting the car to to perform better overall. Doesn't happen without other changes to suspension components, etc. There is far more to consider for optimal braking performance and upgrading to a BBK.
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Forge is nice company and most of their product are on top level, ther is no doubt that they are serious players on aftermarket but just they are not making racing brakes. They offer so called performane (tuning) big brake kits.
If we are talking about unsprung mass of racing car - brakes, wheels ect... are the best way to reduce unsprung mass. If we are looking around on real racing brakes market, we will see that racing front brake kits will start from 3000€. Forge is the cheapest available BBK on market by 1700€.
In track or rally racing world, big players on market are: Alcon, Wilwood, Brembo, APG Performance, PFC, Stop Tech, AP Racing ect...
If we are talking about unsprung mass of racing car - brakes, wheels ect... are the best way to reduce unsprung mass. If we are looking around on real racing brakes market, we will see that racing front brake kits will start from 3000€. Forge is the cheapest available BBK on market by 1700€.
In track or rally racing world, big players on market are: Alcon, Wilwood, Brembo, APG Performance, PFC, Stop Tech, AP Racing ect...
There are all kinds of manufactures, types and uses. However, you've got to consider what I commented to above for optimal barking performance.
Most of my experience comes from motorcycle road racing, where it's quintessentially important to get correct. They're far more responsive and crucial to handling, going fast, performing optimally.
I'd most certainly make a comparison between StopTech and the Forge BBK's. I've used both including Brembo's. The Brembo's are overkill for most applications under 500 whp.
However, you don't need or require $3K braking system for an automobiles that produces at bes; 320 whp and aren't really capable of sustained speeds over 140 mph on a regular basis. The i30N and VN, don't have this capability on tap for regular street or track use.
The question is; will the Forge BBK hold up and perform well in both i30N and VN track racing applications? Certainly, just as well as any other, especially for track days and autocross venues most owners will use both for.
I a perfect world, there are certainly better but this isn't a perfect world! I don't believe anyone who owns a Hyundai i30N or VN, is expecting anything near perfection.
Most of my experience comes from motorcycle road racing, where it's quintessentially important to get correct. They're far more responsive and crucial to handling, going fast, performing optimally.
I'd most certainly make a comparison between StopTech and the Forge BBK's. I've used both including Brembo's. The Brembo's are overkill for most applications under 500 whp.
However, you don't need or require $3K braking system for an automobiles that produces at bes; 320 whp and aren't really capable of sustained speeds over 140 mph on a regular basis. The i30N and VN, don't have this capability on tap for regular street or track use.
The question is; will the Forge BBK hold up and perform well in both i30N and VN track racing applications? Certainly, just as well as any other, especially for track days and autocross venues most owners will use both for.
I a perfect world, there are certainly better but this isn't a perfect world! I don't believe anyone who owns a Hyundai i30N or VN, is expecting anything near perfection.
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To be honest, if we’re talking about „need“ then no one needs to buy any aftermarket big brake kit for an i30N / VN at all. As I said earlier: pads, braided lines, fluid and rotors are all you need (maybe not even the latter for most of us).
I've got the pagid peformance pads for my car on track days and they stop my car 10m shorter than standard....that's enough for me without added discs and new calipers....so I totally agree with you.
Some option bits for the VN just announced. The 4 pot monoblocs look interesting. Wonder if anyone is able to get dimensions for rim clearance?
Not sure if they are available to be bought separately or will have to be bought with a new car.....
https://www.hyundai.com/kr/ko/vehicles/veloster-n/n-performance-parts
Not sure if they are available to be bought separately or will have to be bought with a new car.....
https://www.hyundai.com/kr/ko/vehicles/veloster-n/n-performance-parts
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