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menlab said:
With all this i'm really lost.
So, what about the forge one, that the in/out are at the side ? Isn't the oil going to flow back at the oil pan ? (same plate?)
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not really sure tbh @R Veloster N mentioned the Forge one has a backpressure-valve which should prevent most of the oil flowing back. but I am not 100% sure on this. I have looked at the Airtec now, that's the one I have bought and wanted to get a few more details about.
 
I think you misunderstood, :) no there's is no back flow preventer in the Forge Motorsports unit. Backflow preventers are generally used when a thermostat is not, in racing applications both motorcycles and car.

The Forge Motorsport Oil Cooler, utilizes a plate type thermostat, along with the OEM oil cooler.:)
 
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So 😂
to sum things up, both oil coolers use a mocal plate (same?), with the airtec one allowing you different orientation.

And the 1million dol.... 500$ question, which one would you pick? (Do take into account the price, construction and material quality).
 
menlab said:
So 😂
to sum things up, both oil coolers use a mocal plate (same?), with the airtec one allowing you different orientation.

And the 1million dol.... 500$ question, which one would you pick? (Do take into account the price, construction and material quality).
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I picked the airtec one for it's good price to perfomance ratio. For me personally, the Forge one is just too expensive for what it's doing.

Both oil coolers do the same in the end. One may do it a bit better than the other, but I think it's solely up to your budget. If money wouldn't count, I'd also pick the Forge.
 
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And last question from me 😂 (prob not)
is this opening and closing thermostat procedure going to affect the oil pressure ? (for the engine and for the turbo [ball bearing one ofc])
 
😅 No it sure won't. Oil pressure won't be affected at all. :)
Bu11eT said:
I picked the airtec one for it's good price to performance ratio. For me personally, the Forge one is just too expensive for what it's doing.

Both oil coolers do the same in the end. One may do it a bit better than the other, but I think it's solely up to your budget. If money wouldn't count, I'd also pick the Forge.
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We buy what we can afford and justify. We can compare temps thru data logging once I've received the unit andI've installed it.:)
 
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Another thought ... with the connections facing down (oil returns to the oil pan).

The mocal plate with the thermostat does its thing; below the set temp the oil passes through the oem way (majority) but some oil goes to the cooler. So the cooler has some (?) oil or it gets filled completely but almost zero flow?

The reason i ask; what happens when the thermostat closes?
Oil is now forced to pass through the cooler. If there is no oil in the cooler (see above paragraph ^) then it would require some time until there is oil flow. I guess the time is minimal so no oil starvation is present.

Maybe overthinking it :/
 
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menlab said:
Another thought ... with the connections facing down (oil returns to the oil pan).

The mocal plate with the thermostat does its thing; below the set temp the oil passes through the oem way (majority) but some oil goes to the cooler. So the cooler has some (?) oil or it gets filled completely but almost zero flow?

The reason i ask; what happens when the thermostat closes?
Oil is now forced to pass through the cooler. If there is no oil in the cooler (see above paragraph ^) then it would require some time until there is oil flow. I guess the time is minimal so no oil starvation is present.

Maybe overthinking it :/
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you're not overthinking it. This is what I meant by varying oil pressure in one of my previous posts. I doubt there will be oil starvation, but nevertheless varying oil pressure is not a good thing.
 
None whatsoever. You can't cause oil starvation with a higher amount of oil running thru the system. There will be no effect on oil pressure either. Starvation can only occur when the oil sloshes in the oil pan and uncovers the oil pump.

There will always be oil in the cooler as the mocal and other thermostatic plates, allow 10% flow rate and is never shut off completely. This keeps the system free of air pockets. Think I mentioned this before.;):)

However, the additional 1/2 liter of oil will not cause a surge or reduction in oil pressure.

Oil pressure varies as the throttle is utilized. As oil becomes more viscous when hot, oil pressure reduces overall. As the oil pump is mechanical and increases it's pumping velocity as rpms raise, oil pressure is constantly changing with the throttle setting.

Normal oil pressure usually varies from; 25 to 65 psi, when the engine oil is at operating temps. It can be higher when the engine is not warmed up, especially during colder weather. Anything over 80 psi, when the oil is up to operating temp. Then you've got a problem that needs to be resolved. There is no static oil pressure psi rating.:)
 
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R Veloster N said:
None whatsoever. You can't cause oil starvation with a higher amount of oil running thru the system. There will be no effect on oil pressure either. Starvation can only occur when the oil sloshes in the oil pan and uncovers the oil pump.

There will always be oil in the cooler as the mocal and other thermostatic plates, allow 10% flow rate and is never shut off completely. This keeps the system free of air pockets. Think I mentioned this before.;):)

However, the additional 1/2 liter of oil will not cause a surge or reduction in oil pressure.

Oil pressure varies as the throttle is utilized. As oil becomes more viscous when hot, oil pressure reduces overall. As the oil pump is mechanical and increases it's pumping velocity as rpms raise, oil pressure is constantly changing with the throttle setting.

Normal oil pressure usually varies from; 25 to 65 psi, when the engine oil is at operating temps. It can be higher when the engine is not warmed up, especially during colder weather. Anything over 80 psi, when the oil is up to operating temp. Then you've got a problem that needs to be resolved. There is no static oil pressure psi rating.:)
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yep correct. To correct my previous post:
"Too much varying oil pressure is not a good thing".
Important to note when installing the oil cooler with the fittings down: There will be a higher burden on the oil pump on the initial startup. Like @R Veloster N stated, the oil pump is mechanical and increases it's pumping velocity as rpms raise.
 
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