100C ? Thats over 200f which is perfect as it only really functions when you really need it
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Engine Oil Cooler
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As it is visible - Airtec oil cooler can be installed upside down - oil lines are long enough but plastic suround around cooling radiators must be removed or cut.
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good thing I already removed my plastic surround when I installed my velossaTech snorkel
thanks for testing this out @TarmoT , one question tho, what are you going to do when you do an oil change? just leave the old oil in the cooler or do you have a special trick up your sleeve to get the oil out of the cooler?
With the Thermostat installed you don't need to turn it upside down. 
going back into the discussion - sorryWith the Thermostat installed you don't need to turn it upside down.
If you have the thermostat which opens at lets say 95C installed and you shut your car off with an oil temp of lets say 105C, there would still be quite some oil going back into the engine's oil sump right?
So mounting it with the fittings would prevent that, wouldn't it?
Yes it will, but at 95C (203F) it will shut and the unless you're running the car balls out, there won't be a problem.
Mocal plate what Airtec is using, opens at 90-degrees. So it is not good idea to install it as Airtec recommends. Oil change will be done like always but there will be an additional job every single time - bumper off, oil cooler off...
Can you give us a broad idea of where you oil temps sit during track driving with the oil cooler installed as soon as you've had your next trackday with it?
I really don't like having to remove the bumper each time changing my oil, the clips will hate it and break sooner or later....
Still not sure if there is a sandwich plate with a thermostat which opens at 100+C out there...did anyone found something that fits our cars?
The Forge is a no-go for me as you have to drill into your crash bar. If german TÜV sees that, it's game over (not even speaking of having a potential accident and your insurance discovering this....)
@WoLf130 found these little guys which would fit the Mocal Thermostat (not 100% sure, but maybe worth a try...)
www.rennsportshop.com
This should solve the issue with oil running back into the engine after the engine is shut off. Provided you let the car cool down before shutting it off (talking track days here - I would never shut my car off with oil temps sitting at 100C^^).
Do you guys think this could work or is there something I am not seeing here?
Mocal Austausch Einsatz für Thermostate 100 – 114 °C | MOCWS99
www.rennsportshop.com
This should solve the issue with oil running back into the engine after the engine is shut off. Provided you let the car cool down before shutting it off (talking track days here - I would never shut my car off with oil temps sitting at 100C^^).
Do you guys think this could work or is there something I am not seeing here?
No you don't have to drill into the bumper. The bumper is already pre drilled and the Forge Motorsport utilizes well nuts for those holes. There are a spaced series 4 holes in the mid top and bottom. So there is no issue for TUV. The Forger Motorsport Oil Cooler is, very well designed and thought out.
not exactly, you have to largen the size of those existing holes, because they are too small to house those well-nuts. Got this info from the installation manual. Following German TÜV-rules that is a modification to a security-related part. Which is a no-go.
I am not saying that the Forge Oil cooler is a bad product, don't get me wrong - I think it's definitely superior to the Airtec one. But in this case there is no room for argumentation here - If someone finds out, maybe even an inspector after a crash, then you are done here and the insurance won't pay a dime. I don't like it either, but I prefer doing it safe.
Thus the idea with the different wax pellets, maybe this would enable me to use the Airtec one, but as I am not 100% certain this would work, I just wanted to ask for some opinions and whether it's a good idea to do that
Yes, but the insurance agency might argue that due to the modification you weakened the structural integrity of the crash-bar and therefore refuse to pay.
However, from what I understand the insurance agency can't just straight up deny a claim, they need to prove there's a causality between the modification and the crash. Still, don't fuck around with insurance.
However, from what I understand the insurance agency can't just straight up deny a claim, they need to prove there's a causality between the modification and the crash. Still, don't fuck around with insurance.
yep, and with the other wax pellet it would solve the main issue I have with the airtec one. So why not use that one then
Just wanted to double check if I am missing something obvious before I buy that part.
Ok I think I'm dumb. Just rechecked it and I got the way a thermostat is working totally wrong 
Here's a video which explains it:
To summarize: The thermostat is open at lower temperatures. It allows oil to flow to the oil cooler and the oil filter. If the oil gets hotter, the thermostat closes and now the oil must flow through the oil cooler first, the "short way" of going straight to the oil filter gets blocked off.
So installing a different wax pellet would do absolutely zero as the oil could still flow back from the oil cooler if the engine is shut off.
So now I am stuck again
Here's a video which explains it:
To summarize: The thermostat is open at lower temperatures. It allows oil to flow to the oil cooler and the oil filter. If the oil gets hotter, the thermostat closes and now the oil must flow through the oil cooler first, the "short way" of going straight to the oil filter gets blocked off.
So installing a different wax pellet would do absolutely zero as the oil could still flow back from the oil cooler if the engine is shut off.
So now I am stuck again
Gents, I believe you're going a little bit to the extreme here.
Have you ever had an accident?
Have you ever followed around an insurance adjuster? Do you understand what they check for? If you haven't, then you don't understand the process. They aren't concerned with every minute detail or modification you've made to the car or the particular OEM details of every car made. They don't possess this kind of knowledge or understanding.
They would be far more aware of a cracked windshield or and aftermarket mounted oil cooler, then the size of a hole in the back side of a crash bumper, seriously. To be quite honest, they're quite ignorant as to the wherefores and whatnots of the car itself.
Insurance adjusters, are not mechanics or body repair specialists and don't understand the first thing about repairing the car. They're looking for damaged parts and a specific estimate from the actual garage handling the repairs. The only thing they're ever concerned about is, if you were at fault and to read the black box. They don't OEM measure parts, know OEM specifications of the car in particular or understand it's actual workings. Most of the time they never see the car or lay hands on it.
I believe you need to relax a bit, you're definately overthinking this side of process.
Have you ever had an accident?
Have you ever followed around an insurance adjuster? Do you understand what they check for? If you haven't, then you don't understand the process. They aren't concerned with every minute detail or modification you've made to the car or the particular OEM details of every car made. They don't possess this kind of knowledge or understanding.
They would be far more aware of a cracked windshield or and aftermarket mounted oil cooler, then the size of a hole in the back side of a crash bumper, seriously.
To be quite honest, they're quite ignorant as to the wherefores and whatnots of the car itself.Insurance adjusters, are not mechanics or body repair specialists and don't understand the first thing about repairing the car. They're looking for damaged parts and a specific estimate from the actual garage handling the repairs. The only thing they're ever concerned about is, if you were at fault and to read the black box. They don't OEM measure parts, know OEM specifications of the car in particular or understand it's actual workings. Most of the time they never see the car or lay hands on it.
I believe you need to relax a bit, you're definately overthinking this side of process.
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Not really, I lived in Europe. I totalled a Toyota Tercel just after we paid it off by running into the side of a 40' lorry trailer on black ice. It was illegally parked on the berm of the motorway, without the lorry or lights on. Front end was totally demolished. They never sent out an adjuster or saw the car. They were provided the photos from the police and it was totalled on the spot by the insurance adjuster. I never saw the car again either.
How is an insurance adjuster going to remove the crash bumper in the first place? They don't have tools and wouldn't know the difference between a 3/8"- 1/2" hole size. The size of the hole doesn't effect the integrity of the bumper especially when it's predrill by the factory for drainage. They don't know enough to ask first off, nor does the garage repair volunteer such information. The repairing garage's total interest is getting paid for the repairs and storage of the vehicle.
Modifying the car with an aftermarket oil cooler, intake, larger turbo, etc., when it's already equipped with one, would be more of a insurance risk than an enlarged hole from 3/8" - 1/2' on the back side of the crash bumper.
How is an insurance adjuster going to remove the crash bumper in the first place? They don't have tools and wouldn't know the difference between a 3/8"- 1/2" hole size. The size of the hole doesn't effect the integrity of the bumper especially when it's predrill by the factory for drainage. They don't know enough to ask first off, nor does the garage repair volunteer such information.
The repairing garage's total interest is getting paid for the repairs and storage of the vehicle.Modifying the car with an aftermarket oil cooler, intake, larger turbo, etc., when it's already equipped with one, would be more of a insurance risk than an enlarged hole from 3/8" - 1/2' on the back side of the crash bumper.
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That's very good information actually, im surprised we all pretty much had it wrongOk I think I'm dumb. Just rechecked it and I got the way a thermostat is working totally wrong
Here's a video which explains it:
To summarize: The thermostat is open at lower temperatures. It allows oil to flow to the oil cooler and the oil filter. If the oil gets hotter, the thermostat closes and now the oil must flow through the oil cooler first, the "short way" of going straight to the oil filter gets blocked off.
So installing a different wax pellet would do absolutely zero as the oil could still flow back from the oil cooler if the engine is shut off.
So now I am stuck again
