Tyres Is there any kind of tyre that will stop the slipping on full lock?

[i20Nowner123]

Hey! I was just posting to ask if there was any kind of tyre i could put on the front to stop that awful tyre skipping when on full/near full lock? and will it have any negative effect on performance? and one last question, does the tyre skipping get worse as the tyre wears?

thanks in advance

 

[drsonic]

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or 5 seem to be a popular option, or “anything other than those bloody Pirellis” too

 

[_Emma]

Check the tyre threads, lots of recommendations there. I’ve found the PS4 pretty good and reliable, but with the i20N it’s more pronounced than the i30N so even with the tyre change it’s still there but it does improve it.

 

[drsonic]

215/40 R18 does seem to be a bit of a less common configuration. Some folks go to 225/40 R18 with minimal downsides, but more tyre/brand options (i.e. Pilot Sport 4S rather than just the 4), which would give you more of a sport tyre

 

[jeroenvde]

How many times you use full lock? It's also the cold damp weather that causes the tires to do this.
To me this is just how the car is. I rather have a nice working LSD vs non skipping tires.

To answer your question, a softer more pliable wintertire will prevent this

 

[Model 500]

How many times you use full lock? It's also the cold damp weather that causes the tires to do this.
To me this is just how the car is. I rather have a nice working LSD vs non skipping tires.

To answer your question, a softer more pliable wintertire will prevent this

Fiesta ST has a nice working diff and doesn’t do the skipping thing…
Regardless of the skipping issue just get rid of the p-zeros as I have absolutely no confidence in them whatsoever,as someone already stated just get rid of the bloody things.
Other manufacturers do UHP tyres that also work in cold and damp conditions.

 

[YNWaN]

The whole tyre skipping issue is caused by a combination of factors - primarily it is the way the steering geometry is set up (in this case it is to give an aggressive turn into corners - lots of performance cars are set like this and have the same skipping problem when on full lock). Then the LSD contributes and finally the tyres. The Tyres are the final element and it is a reality that performance road tyres are made to get hot, soft and grippy - but in cold weather they get hard. You can change the tyres to ones that get hard at lower temperatures but you can’t entirely negate the issue because the tyres aren’t the primary cause. Personally I have fitted Goodyear Eagle FI Asymmetric 6 (in 225 width) and these do heavily reduce the skipping until it gets to about 5 degrees C. Even then the skipping feels less jerky and sudden. If you are an experienced racing driver you may feel the difference between 215 and 225 width tyres but otherwise you won’t (I certainly can’t).

 

[Model 500]

The whole tyre skipping issue is caused by a combination of factors - primarily it is the way the steering geometry is set up (in this case it is to give an aggressive turn into corners - lots of performance cars are set like this and have the same skipping problem when on full lock). Then the LSD contributes and finally the tyres. The Tyres are the final element and it is a reality that performance road tyres are made to get hot, soft and grippy - but in cold weather they get hard. You can change the tyres to ones that get hard at lower temperatures but you can’t entirely negate the issue because the tyres aren’t the primary cause. Personally I have fitted Goodyear Eagle FI Asymmetric 6 (in 225 width) and these do heavily reduce the skipping until it gets to about 5 degrees C. Even then the skipping feels less jerky and sudden. If you are an experienced racing driver you may feel the difference between 215 and 225 width tyres but otherwise you won’t (I certainly can’t).

Found this little nugget online,have to say I’m in total agreement..

 

[YNWaN]

Found this little nugget online,have to say I’m in total agreement..View attachment 24183

I’m not sure why you have quoted my post but the other quote doesn’t relate to mine at all. It appears to be a criticism of the stock tyres with regard to their grip and doesn’t relate to any of the issues in my post.

 

[Model 500]

I’m not sure why you have quoted my post but the other quote doesn’t relate to mine at all. It appears to be a criticism of the stock tyres with regard to their grip and doesn’t relate to any of the issues in my post.

Just a random post I’ve found that you might be interested in,no big deal..
Just further highlights how bad the p-zeros are.

 

[_Emma]

Just a random post I’ve found that you might be interested in,no big deal..
Just further highlights how bad the p-zeros are.

Literally since day dot with the i30N anyone in the UK has complained about them, they're bloody awful I say this as someone who has been stubborn and done over probably 50k on them (between 3 cars), best thing you can do is get rid of them.

 

[Model 500]

Literally since day dot with the i30N anyone in the UK has complained about them, they're bloody awful I say this as someone who has been stubborn and done over probably 50k on them (between 3 cars), best thing you can do is get rid of them.

Yep 100%,all this twaddle about they need optimum temps to perform,ect…
I‘ve owned multiple front drive hot hatches with LSDs and have never experienced anything like the p-zeros.
Nobody is going to convince me either way,the p-zeros are fit for the bin only,bloody awful,I’d say so…
I’ve had multiple brands of UHP tyres on dozens of hot hatches and never had any issues with cold,damp or standing water on any of them.

 

[_Emma]

Yep 100%,all this twaddle about they need optimum temps to perform,ect…
I‘ve owned multiple front drive hot hatches with LSDs and have never experienced anything like the p-zeros.
Nobody is going to convince me either way,the p-zeros are fit for the bin only,bloody awful,I’d say so…
I’ve had multiple brands of UHP tyres on dozens of hot hatches and never had any issues with cold,damp or standing water on any of them.

I do think it's very much a UK specific whinge, mainly because we don't do winter tyres and we don't have fairly warm weather all year round. I think the Pirellis are ok in the warm and dry, but rain and cold, forget it. I've never had the wear issues people have had, but then again partner has on his i20N. Our old Abarth used to do the judder, but nowhere near as much, and it did need to be cold (we have to do full lock to get off our drive, so there's no escaping it!).

 

[Model 500]

I do think it's very much a UK specific whinge, mainly because we don't do winter tyres and we don't have fairly warm weather all year round. I think the Pirellis are ok in the warm and dry, but rain and cold, forget it. I've never had the wear issues people have had, but then again partner has on his i20N. Our old Abarth used to do the judder, but nowhere near as much, and it did need to be cold (we have to do full lock to get off our drive, so there's no escaping it!).

I’ve had some fairly hairy moments on the p-zeros,I’d say the car should have come from factory with either Michelin or Bridgestones which can perform well year round.
But like you say it’s well documented how bad the Pirellis are…
That’s my rant for the day over…..

 

[_Emma]

I’ve had some fairly hairy moments on the p-zeros,I’d say the car should have come from factory with either Michelin or Bridgestones which can perform well year round.
But like you say it’s well documented how bad the Pirelli‘s are…
That’s my rant for the day over…..

The non-performance i30N used to come with michelins and it always irritated me that you couldn't choose!

 

[Model 500]

The non-performance i30N used to come with michelins and it always irritated me that you couldn't choose!

Yes,the p-zeros are purely for track lap times,not for everyday road driving,would explain why the non P had the Michelins.

 

[_Emma]

Yes,the p-zeros are purely for track lap times,not for everyday road driving,would explain why the non P had the Michelins.

Although from experience there was very little difference between them!

 

[Model 500]

Although from experience there was very little difference between them!

So they’re no good on road and not much better on track…

 

[drsonic]

So they’re no good on road and not much better on track…

Well they do have ‘zero’ in the name, denoting the number of positives ;-)

 

[YNWaN]

Just a random post I’ve found that you might be interested in,no big deal..
Just further highlights how bad the p-zeros are.

Oh, I see, I thought you were contradicting me with another post you had found - I get it now though