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Tuning i20N Engine & ECU Tuning Discussion
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The user gpaaa has been fearmongering about everything since I can remember being here, from the aftermarket intakes to the tuning chips to now remaps, I'd say just ignore him and make your own research based on cars that already have remapsI highly doubt any reputable tuner is just blasting straight past safety limits or we'd have seen these cars popping like champagne bottles... it seems we're well past the initial development stage on this variation of the Kefico CPEGD 3.20.1 and there's a near complete damos file to read the original calibration file. Although it may very well be different from other ECU's it is certainly mappable and it is also certainly safe because otherwise there's numerous reputable tuning companies across europe and australia putting their livelihood on the line.
I can tell you i know 3 of the people with UK "test" cars or cars that have had the customer available remap applied and they've had no issues, they've all had the work done at different locations with years of tuning experience. One was remapped at K-tec to what you'd refer to as stage 1, One at big fish garage to stage 2, another at TRS performance to stage 2. 1000's of miles of testing, 1000's of miles of real world use and reputable tuners offering this remap to the public begs the question: if it was so unsafe, would they not have gone bang by now?
Let me also reiterate, I DO NOT STAND TO GAIN ANYTHING FROM MY OPINION AND I AM NOT BEING PAID BY ANY COMPANIES TO PUSH THEIR AGENDA
I won't argue if you continue to disagree since you're an expert or whatever but it's evidently something that can be, has been and will continue to be done, safely
My friend, if you check my 4 previous posts carefully and afterwards see the last video made by classen and went on line 6 hours ago, you will realize that he says EXACTLY what i am saying to this forum.The user gpaaa has been fearmongering about everything since I can remember being here, from the aftermarket intakes to the tuning chips to now remaps, I'd say just ignore him and make your own research based on cars that already have remaps
Check carefully, i have very clearly stated that according to the features of the new turbo, it should produce around 320 ps(check my post number 214), and if you wont find the restrict function in the code you wont hit the appropriate turbo numbers whatever you will do. Classen before finding it, could not exceed 280, and when he found what i described he reached the max efficiency of the turbo (exaclty 320 ps as i had calculate - i guess i am a good fortune teller with such a precise estimation ).
Furthermore , from the beggining, I stated clearly that this ecu is no similar with everything else i have seen(check my post number 217). Now check what Classen stated clearly in his last video. He says EXACTLY the same. So i guess you are right i am a fearmongering about everything, although i have make some money from programming car ecus. Why? Because i am now 54 years old, i have seen many cars goind boom and maybe i am more carefull or you may say not so brave - reckless as i was in the age of 35. Of course you can ignore me and make your own research. Its your car, its your property. its your money
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at the end of the day, the reality is that modified cars in any form, be it an intake, a chip or a remap are always going to be "less reliable" than a stock car and a manufacturer is going to use the modifications as an excuse for potentially premature failure and will therefore revoke any warranty.My friend, if you check my 4 previous posts carefully and afterwards see the last video made by classen and went on line 6 hours ago, you will realize that he says EXACTLY what i am saying to this forum.
Check carefully, i have very clearly stated that according to the features of the new turbo, it should produce around 320 ps(check my post number 214), and if you wont find the restrict function in the code you wont hit the appropriate turbo numbers whatever you will do. Classen before finding it, could not exceed 280, and when he found what i described he reached the max efficiency of the turbo (exaclty 320 ps as i had calculate - i guess i am a good fortune teller with such a precise estimation ).
Furthermore , from the beggining, I stated clearly that this ecu is no similar with everything else i have seen(check my post number 217). Now check what Classen stated clearly in his last video. He says EXACTLY the same. So i guess you are right i am a fearmongering about everything, although i have make some money from programming car ecus. Why? Because i am now 54 years old, i have seen many cars goind boom and maybe i am more carefull or you may say not so brave - reckless as i was in the age of 35. Of course you can ignore me and make your own research. Its your car, its your property. its your money
A lot of us just want to do these things to our cars because it makes them faster, they sound cooler, and want to make it our own. I think what the above was trying to express is that your constant scepticism is potentially warranted but also extremely grating. we don't really want to hear "what-if's" and rather just want to see results. we understand and accept the risks of mods and it'd be greatly appreciated if after every update on map revisions there wasn't a post from yourself below that says something like "this will blow your car up
"I think it's fair to say that a mild tune could be beneficial. Modern engines are tuned for emissions and economy which can be detrimental in the long term for wear and tear. A mild tune can restore efficiency at the expense of emissions to an extent, gaining power and ironically increasing economy. As long as the power gains are modest the improved AF ratios and lower combustion temps etc are probably going to mean longer life.
This is the sort of tune that I would go for so that I could enjoy spirited driving without worrying about the consequences.
This is the sort of tune that I would go for so that I could enjoy spirited driving without worrying about the consequences.
You put words in my mouth, which i never sayed or wrote. Please write the number of the post, where i sayed that "this will blow your engine".at the end of the day, the reality is that modified cars in any form, be it an intake, a chip or a remap are always going to be "less reliable" than a stock car and a manufacturer is going to use the modifications as an excuse for potentially premature failure and will therefore revoke any warranty.
A lot of us just want to do these things to our cars because it makes them faster, they sound cooler, and want to make it our own. I think what the above was trying to express is that your constant scepticism is potentially warranted but also extremely grating. we don't really want to hear "what-if's" and rather just want to see results. we understand and accept the risks of mods and it'd be greatly appreciated if after every update on map revisions there wasn't a post from yourself below that says something like "this will blow your car up
What i am trying to do from start, is to warn the users of this forum, to be extremely careful, as i20n ecu does not seem like any other i have seen in the past. And i have seen the code of many. If you were driven a ford, or a honda, i would say, go on as this ecu type is very well known and the benefits are great. I can send you links from hondata, where i say to every type-r to do a remap as benefits are great.
But i20n ecu is totally new, and to my experience in every new ecu type, during development, many engines have broken. I sayed dont be the guinea pig, as many guinea pigs have broken their engines. In every new - untested thing shit happens. Do you doubt that?
Furthermore, in purpose?, you miss the point that everything i predicted with numbers about this new ecu type is absolutely true, even the potential hp numbers for the new turbo (320). Classen is serious about programming, and has posted online with videos and comments the whole process. I support him as he has spoken the truth about the new ecu type of the i20n and sincerely posted the initial dyno numbers of testing - even if they were pretty close with the ecu boxes.
As far as the intake is concerning, i wrote that in the stock car it gives 0 gains, because of the turbo and wrote a link for people to read why this happens. I even put 2 more links, when Germans tested on line a well known intake and both stated clearly that they had gained nothing.
So as i have written here many many times, its your car and you can do with it everything you like, but please let me have the right to be able to warn other users who may want to hear the potential risks and the truth about tuning, specially with a new type of ecu that has never been tested before.
Last but not least, i would very much appreciate if you dont comment my posts all the time. If you have to make a nice contribution to the forum please do it and support it with facts, numbers, links or videos. Its one thing talking all the time, and other to present dynos, afrs and contribute with something usefull.
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basically mate, I'm not reading all that and no one cares what you've got to say because it's all negative waffle about how you're an expert and you know everything
Jog on, traThat is exactly what i am asking from the beggining mate!! PLease dont read my posts, dont comment on them and do whatever you like with your carbasically mate, I'm not reading all that and no one cares what you've got to say because it's all negative waffle about how you're an expert and you know everything
Fair enough? )
better idea, stop ramming your opinion down everyone's throats? i'm not arguing what you've said isn't a fact but what i will say is usually a fact doesn't require an opinion tagged on to it, if you've nothing good to say about these things and if you don't have any evidence of any blown g4fp's, stop trying to tell everyone what to do with their shitThat is exactly what i am asking from the beggining mate!! PLease dont read my posts, dont comment on them and do whatever you like with your car
i never wrote to anyone what to do with its own car, neither forced anyone to read and follow what i write. i sayed that because its a new type of ecu i would not become the quinea pig. This is clearly an opinion and i dont force anyone to do anything. I have wrote many many times to do whatever you like with your car. Are you blind or you dont read at all and just say your shit? Or you try to sell something?better idea, stop ramming your opinion down everyone's throats? i'm not arguing what you've said isn't a fact but what i will say is usually a fact doesn't require an opinion tagged on to it, if you've nothing good to say about these things and if you don't have any evidence of any blown g4fp's, stop trying to tell everyone what to do with their shit
You know you behave like a dictator - fascist because although i have written many many times, that you have the right to do whatever you want with your car and respect everyones different opinion, you dont respect my right to write my opinion to this forum. Furthermore i have presented videos and facts at the same time. Funny thing is that Classen has support my findings.
Please do whatever you like with your car, dont read my post but respect my right to write my opinion.
Then simply dont read, answer, take my opinion into consideration and do whatever you like as i have many times suggest you should do.
You know, you speak like you represent everyone in this forum. Do you? If you respect my right to write my opinion but you dont respect it, then just dont follow it and do whatever you like with your car as i have written many times, without destroying my right to write my opinion. Maybe others want to read it.
Please stop guys.
Every time you make a post lots of people take the time to look hoping it's something interesting and new.
Every time you make a post lots of people take the time to look hoping it's something interesting and new.
i think i speak for most of us because I'm not the only person that's given you shit before. we just don't wanna hear it. anyway since most of this is gonna get deleted by moderators....
Check the YouTube video’s from KLASEN MOTORSPORT, they are German but you can use English subtitles.
Its all written and is more than evidence. You think you speak for the most, and every different opinion from yours must not exist, so you keep bullying and attacki think i speak for most of us ( THINK OR YOU SPEAK ?) because I'm not the only person that's given you shit before GIVE THE POST NUMBERS). we just don't wanna hear it( DEFINITION OF FASCISTS. I DONT WANNA HEAR EVERYTHING I DONT AGREE SO DONT SPEAK OR WRITE
) Great ).To moderators. IF this is a democratic forum, where i can express my opinion freely, please protect my right to do it. Its natural users not to agree with everything others say , but users should respect different opinions and the right of humans to write different things. This is democracy and if someone does not agree with an opinion or post, he may simply dont read, follow or do it.
But instead if someone provokes and bullies al the time because he does not agree, then you should protect the forum from fascists
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Personally, I really appreciate the input of both ‘gpaaa’ and ‘T0m_i20N’.
As for mods and their impact (mods to the car that is, not the forum mods), well I think gpaaa’ is right, and I speak as someone who has done loads of these mods. An uprated air intake does make zero difference IMO and I have one - sounds good though. Much the same is true of the exhaust. As for a tune etc… well we will have to see. Personally I doubt many will go for the turbo upgrade as the cost makes it quite prohibitive and we know nothing about the strength of the engine.
As for mods and their impact (mods to the car that is, not the forum mods), well I think gpaaa’ is right, and I speak as someone who has done loads of these mods. An uprated air intake does make zero difference IMO and I have one - sounds good though. Much the same is true of the exhaust. As for a tune etc… well we will have to see. Personally I doubt many will go for the turbo upgrade as the cost makes it quite prohibitive and we know nothing about the strength of the engine.
I just got my i20 N -22 ECU- tuned here in Sweden and the car is really moving now. No other mods. Just stock. Info below:
Hi guys,
Any updates on the protocol's safety to share?
Apart from a couple of problematic from ECU remap vehicles that I heard about 2-3 months ago,i presume no news bad (?) news.. It seems as mentioned above and in various videos in YouTube that this very new ECU type is a pain in the ass.
Appreciate in advance any input / sharing your views.
Any updates on the protocol's safety to share?
Apart from a couple of problematic from ECU remap vehicles that I heard about 2-3 months ago,i presume no news bad (?) news.. It seems as mentioned above and in various videos in YouTube that this very new ECU type is a pain in the ass.
Appreciate in advance any input / sharing your views.