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GPF Back Exhaust System (RPM Performance)

I will just say it - RPM Stuff is crap.

The exhaust is aimed at children who want to delete everything they can to sound hip on Instagram or tiktok. People who want to use these cars daily and are of a good age need to get something like a remus or scorpion exhaust to tick the boxes so to speak.
 
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I will just say it....
My thoughts exactly. And additionally I can say that the product support is also insufficient. Although Biscuit was satisfied with the support, he felt his problem well handled or at least the good intentions were there. He also got a v2 mid-pipe resonator, it failed though, but at least it was an attempt. I was not handled at all, he didn't reply to my emails, then he asked extra money for the extra shipping, then he never dispatched the item, then he said that the package lost. I have to say that the metal work is good quality, the welds are nice, the material is good quality stainless steel. Unfortunately the design is missing, the drone is unbearable therefore the product is unusable. And unfortunately that is the customer's risk, RPM got the money and the story ended with that, no responsibility, no warranty.
 
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People who want to use these cars daily and are of a good age need to get something like a remus or scorpion exhaust to tick the boxes..
I would agree. Unfortunately I bought my RPM system prior to Remus releasing theirs otherwise Remus would have had my money. I've pretty much given up hope of getting the drone issue sorted and I'll not be doing anything more with the KonaN during my period of ownership - apart from slowly putting it back to 'stock' before I eventually sell it. In its place I'm considering either a Bullit or a Mach1 Mustang .. although a Stinger GT V6 still interests me, as long as I can cope with the 6m service intervals...
 
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I would agree. Unfortunately I bought my RPM system prior to Remus releasing theirs otherwise Remus would have had my money. I've pretty much given up hope of getting the drone issue sorted and I'll not be doing anything more with the KonaN during my period of ownership - apart from slowly putting it back to 'stock' before I eventually sell it. In its place I'm considering either a Bullit or a Mach1 Mustang .. although a Stinger GT V6 still interests me, as long as I can cope with the 6m service intervals...
Wow you will change. Are you disappointed in the car in general ? It didn't live up to your expectations ? Which parts or qualities ? I like it just more and more every day. Although I made much more modifications not only this exhaust. I changed the intake system, (Forge induction kit), blow off valve, spark plugs, ECU remapped by Courtenay Sports, I installed a new high-pressure fuel pump, I just bought the brand new Forge intercooler + boost pipes on the throttle side (released 5/5/2023). I'm gonna wrap the intake and intercooler pipes with golden tape against heat radiation, heat balance will be near to optimal. I bought a nice titanium turbo blanket from Funk Motorsport, also for that purpose. Last week I removed the sound generator from the wind shield, engine sound is much more refined and smooth, not so harsh hooligan. And it's very fast now, maybe too fast. I need better tires I think. Yes, this adventure with RPM was a very bad and expensive experience, but I won't let it bring me down, he can't make me sore. I'll find a good exhaust sooner or later.
 
@Shoulders181, it would seem that drone from these systems is a little more common than I first imagined. Did you go back to stock or change the RPM system out for another brand?

The modified Mid-Pipe I mentioned before (see post #47 above) is being fitted by a local garage tomorrow.
I was going to wait until I'd had the engine sorted but, I had a vehicle inspection carried out whilst having the software update recall, which reported some moisture at the ends of the current pipe sleeves and suggested adding some exhaust paste and a tightening of the clamps. I'm certain that this was due to my trying (and failing) to replace the mid-pipe myself at ground level - I obviously didn't torque the clamps up enough and it's been leaking gases ever since!

Anyway, 'seeing as this one's now leaking I might as well get it put on now' I thought to myself on the way home. So the pipe and two new Mikalor W2 exhaust clamps are in the car ready to go. Once it's fitted and I've had a drive, I'll report back on whether Ver2 Mid-Pipe sorts out the awful cabin drone ....

I end up putting a Resonator Delete (Res Delete) Anti Drone Pipe and that fixed the drone.​

 

I end up putting a Resonator Delete (Res Delete) Anti Drone Pipe and that fixed the drone.​

1 - If RPM knew how to eliminate drone, he would have sent such a pipe to Biscuit, instead of that non-working rev2 resonator.
2 - The Res Delete makes no Drone, it makes it slightly louder. The i30N, Veloster N, Kona N systems are not interchangeable, because of different pipe lengths and different pipe geometry. Designing a Helmholtz resonator is a complicated computer work, engineer job, it can't be done by random tries.
3 - He is not 100% honest man and I put that very mildly and kindly. You can read the Kona N GPF Back System advertising on Facebook:
•Increased pops and bangs​
•No EML​
•No Drone​
•Can easily revert back to standard​
•Fully stainless steel and made in UK​
See? "No Drone". I can tell you that it has unbearable drone that you can't abide. The most pronounced "feature" and you can miss it only with earplugs. He knows that, he made it. An honest firm wouldn't sell it until it's fixed. And he advertises the opposite. I had to revert back to the OEM system because of the drone. I lost about £1100 so did Biscuit. I got no support at all, Biscuit got a rev2 resonator but it failed unfortunately.
You decide who do you believe.
 
I had to revert back to the OEM system because of the drone. I lost about £1100 so did Biscuit. I got no support at all, Biscuit got a rev2 resonator but it failed unfortunately.
So here's my final post in regards to this exhaust story. I am also reverting back to the OEM system. To that end, I'll be putting my RPM system up for sale soon, obviously at a huge mark-down from its £1,095 purchase price. Keep an eye out on Gumtree ;)
 
I can’t really comment on the RPM exhaust but it seems to me, having listened to a bunch of different makes, that they all seem to drone to quite an obvious extent and, quite frankly, sound a bit crap to me.

Funnily enough I was recently offered a free exhaust by a company looking to develop their own. However…. they want to release one with no back box at all and no exhaust valve - Unfortunately I had to decline as it will be ridiculously loud and likely sound like it needs repairing all the time!
 
Confused how the flap will work, it looks like if flap is closed the gas goes through one silencer on the left and with flap open it'll go through both silencers?, i.e. closed flap will be louder?

What am I missing?
 
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You had a sports cat fitted on this system so it’s not really a fair reflection of the system I must say. A sports cat is needed for trying to achieve power it’s not something to create a beautiful noise. @Cholmondeley-Biscuitt was doing development with us but we never heard back when trying to assist with removing drone on a system with a sports cat which is such a shame. The GPF back system doesn’t drone its everything else you have fitted that creates the drone.
 
Confused how the flap will work, it looks like if flap is closed the gas goes through one silencer on the left and with flap open it'll go through both silencers? ...

It is perfect to that point. Although they are not silencers, but resonators. It's a free pipe, you can look thru it.

... , i.e. closed flap will be louder?
What am I missing?

No, it will be louder with open valve, because 2 pipes mean more and louder exhausting than 1 pipe. I don't know what is your theory, but this is the reality without theory. Simply it's much louder and that's it.
 
You had a sports cat fitted on this system so it’s not really a fair reflection of the system I must say. A sports cat is needed for trying to achieve power it’s not something to create a beautiful noise. @Cholmondeley-Biscuitt was doing development with us but we never heard back when trying to assist with removing drone on a system with a sports cat which is such a shame. The GPF back system doesn’t drone its everything else you have fitted that creates the drone.
I have no sports cat at all, I have the the OEM down pipe + OEM cat, and the drone is unbearable with your GPF back. And you know this perfectly if you tested it ever. Or now you start to state that "your" test Kona N behaved differently and our cars must be faulty. Whatever, but it's all our fault?
I changed back to OEM GPF back and the drone is gone. I've changed nothing else.

"...Biscuit was doing development with us " - wtf, I thought that you had completed the development BEFORE you sold it for £1100. You take the money first, and THEN you start to eliminate drone, are you saying that? And if it's not possible to eliminate it, then the customer was unlucky? And actually he is the culprit? Or he simply lies? You think Biscuit is just kidding and just selling it for fun on Gumtree? It's unusable, a man can't live with it.
I won't sell mine, because it's unfair, it's a faulty product, and I won't abuse anyone with this thing.
Biscuit must hope that the buyers on Gumtree won't read N-cars.net and won't search for RPM GPF back.

"it’s not really a fair reflection of the system I must say." - why is that? You have a GPF back advertising video on youtube with Dan Bushell. He also used sports cat! Watch the video please, you were talking about the system.

From 7:35 - "... just to recap, we've got 200CEL downpipe, flex pipe, resonated GPF, and your new GPF back ... we've gone for Helmholtz resonator which will eliminate any type of drone..."
That last part of the sentence is obviously a lie, there is no Helmholtz resonator in the system, and you have no idea how to remove the drone. You sent a rev2 resonator to Biscuit and it failed, it had no effect. It costed some time and installation money again. Is that your development? The customer pays the collateral costs? You are very remissful to yourself, but blaming the customer is simply unscrupulousness, shameless.
Bushell used sports cat and it was no problem at all. Allegedly. He sold his car later. Now suddenly the sports cat became a problem with Biscuit's car? And Biscuit is not fair? What are you talking about?
 
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I have no sports cat at all, I have the the OEM down pipe + OEM cat, and the drone is unbearable with your GPF back. And you know this perfectly if you tested it ever. Or now you start to state that "your" test Kona N behaved differently and our cars must be faulty. Whatever, but it's all our fault?
I changed back to OEM GPF back and the drone is gone. I've changed nothing else.

"...Biscuit was doing development with us " - wtf, I thought that you had completed the development BEFORE you sold it for £1100. You take the money first, and THEN you start to eliminate drone, are you saying that? And if it's not possible to eliminate it, then the customer was unlucky? And actually he is the culprit? Or he simply lies? You think Biscuit is just kidding and just selling it for fun on Gumtree? It's unusable, a man can't live with it.
I won't sell mine, because it's unfair, it's a faulty product, and I won't abuse anyone with this thing.
Biscuit must hope that the buyers on Gumtree won't read N-cars.net and won't search for RPM GPF back.

"it’s not really a fair reflection of the system I must say." - why is that? You have a GPF back advertising video on youtube with Dan Bushell. He also used sports cat! Watch the video please, you were talking about the system.

From 7:35 - "... just to recap, we've got 200CEL downpipe, flex pipe, resonated GPF, and your new GPF back ... we've gone for Helmholtz resonator which will eliminate any type of drone..."
That last part of the sentence is obviously a lie, there is no Helmholtz resonator in the system, and you have no idea how to remove the drone. You sent a rev2 resonator to Biscuit and it failed, it had no effect. It costed some time and installation money again. Is that your development? The customer pays the collateral costs? You are very remissful to yourself, but blaming the customer is simply unscrupulousness, shameless.
Bushell used sports cat and it was no problem at all. Allegedly. He sold his car later. Now suddenly the sports cat became a problem with Biscuit's car? And Biscuit is not fair? What are you talking about?
There is no drone on a GPF back system on a standard vehicle with no other mods and we stand by that. What one person may think drone is can be different to another.

We have a customer with the worlds quickest kona n and he runs this system with ZERO drone.

Hang on, Dan had a I30N and you have a Kona N. They are not the same system. So please disregard everything you’ve said. The video you’ve watched it’s nothing to do with a Kona N. We have a very good understanding of calculating the Helmholtz frequency as that’s how the business was created as we successfully done it on many vehicles with over 5000pc of Golf R anti drone resonator deletes being sold.

Drone on his system is created by the extra volume of the sports cat, development is continuous with every single product as we are always striving to improve which is how it should be in todays industry. We cover all development costs 👍

We have sold over 20 GPF back Kona N systems worldwide with great feedback!

You may be unhappy but we have offered to help you which you declined to email us, but the offer still stands!
 
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There is no drone on a GPF back system on a standard vehicle with no other mods and we stand by that. What one person may think drone is can be different to another.

We have a customer with the worlds quickest kona n and he runs this system with ZERO drone.

Drone is not so complicated term as you want people to think it so cut the bullsh...t please.
I don't care your customers in the world, I care only my GPF back that I bought from you for £1100 and my Kona N, and my experience. And I know what is drone and Biscuit also knows it. He is selling it, because you couldn't, can't fix it. It's no joke, it's happening.

Hang on, Dan had a I30N and you have a Kona N. They are not the same system. So please disregard everything you’ve said.
Disregard? Why would I do that? Is it possible to make an exhaust for i30N without drone, but it's impossible to make it for Kona N? What are you talking about? Those 2 exhaust systems are basically the same (not very surprisingly), very similar parts, with different lengths and curves. Of course the drone frequencies are not at the same place but eliminating the drone is exactly the same task. You make the chaos here again try to make it look complicated try to talk yourself out of it. I'm a dipl. mechanical engineer, MSc.
Please cut the b...sh..t you're not talking to excited boyracer teens.
If you were able to attune Bushell's car you would be able to do the same with Biscuit's car. But you can't, you have no idea how to fix it. Actually it should be the same by default as Bushell's car (with sports cat) was, attuned one, without drone. You knew he used a sports cat, he bought it from you and he said that 1000 times.
Please think it twice what you say, it makes no sense, it's a bulls...ting and everybody can see that. And it's written, hard to change and remove especially when I cited it. You can't edit my comments.

The video you’ve watched it’s nothing to do with a Kona N. We have a very good understanding of calculating the Helmholtz frequency as that’s how the business was created as we successfully done it on many vehicles with over 5000pc of Golf R anti drone resonator deletes being sold.

Hahaha, this is ridiculous, you are a Helmholz expert, it is your speciality, and you built it for 1000 cars already, solved the drone everywhere in the world.
Except with Biscuit's and my Kona N. We are so unlucky. I'm envy at the 5000 Golf R owners.
"We have a very good understanding" - don't use the majestic plural if you are alone, it won't make you a serious man.
You should have fixed the drone long ago, or you shouldn't have sold a bad droning exhaust at all. Bragging with your non-existent knowledge won't help at all. If you had very good understanding we had no droning faulty exhausts, me and Biscuit.

Drone on his system is created by the extra volume of the sports cat, development is continuous with every single product as we are always striving to improve which is how it should be in todays industry. We cover all development costs 👍
We have sold over 20 GPF back Kona N systems worldwide with great feedback!
Biscuit are you listening? They will cover your expenses! (just kidding, they won't). I'm sorry Dan you mentioned before that you'll refund £70 to me. In this topic, page 2 message #25, at the bottom.
Did it happen? No😊
You make promises, you talk, you chaffer, but you are not a serious person. You won't cover anyone's expenses or damages.

"Drone on his system is created by the extra volume of the sports cat" - OK, Biscuit this is your last chance! Please install the whole RPM system again including the GPF back, but excluding the sports cat. According to RPM Dan you won't hear the drone anymore, it will be gone with the sports cat, because that is the culprit.
But if you believe me the drone will be there, maybe not as loud as before, but still very loud and unbearable in long term. I had serious drone without sports cat. It's because of the nature of the drone. The drone is nothing else but low frequency resonance spots in the cabin, the cause is not only a loud sound source but the resonance itself. The resonance is a killer thing, search for Tacoma Bridge on youtube. Resonance makes it REAL loud, much louder than the source itself !!! You start to accelerate the car, and at some point your brain melts down, that is called drone.

You may be unhappy but we have offered to help you which you declined to email us, but the offer still stands!

Yeah, I'm glad you discovered that I was unhappy😀 And Biscuit is unhappy too.
I declined to email you? Awww, so it's my fault again. Always the customer's fault. We had a long-long conversation here a few months ago. Look at page 2...3. Other people ran out of popcorn and later they ran out of patience too. We talked about my problems enough. No, I won't send you an email about my exhaust and my problems, because I think it is not the reason you don't want to fix it. You just play games. Looking for excuses for the very moment. I'm a much more direct and straight person than Biscuit, he is polite and he avoids conflicting words. But the result is the same, at the end we both have unusable RPM Performance systems for £1100 and the seller blames us. It's not about the customer's style but the seller's will and knowledge. You can't fix it, because you don't know how, you are an amateur in this business, so you'll always find an excuse. It's not your fault. Until the customer gets tired of it and leaves you alone. But unfortunately we both lost £1100 and I think it's a good lesson to others.
I try to warn them. Guys! Avoid RPM Performance at all costs !!!
 
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I have to say, I dealt with RPM Performance recently (though not for an exhaust) and they were fantastic.