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[R Veloster N]

Albert Biermann Gives a Hint on Hyundai i30 Fate - Korean Car Blog

Recently in an interview with Drive Australian motor news site, Albert Bierman was asked about Hyundai i30's fate. Mr. Biermann recognized that it was...

thekoreancarblog.com

Don’t know where the information came from but there’s some validity to what’s being said. I wouldn’t be at all supprised!

 

[R Veloster N]

No second-gen Hyundai i30 N petrol coming, as brand goes EV

'There’s a good chance there will be no further combustion engine N cars in some markets with Euro 7 regulations looming,' Hyundai claims.

www.carexpert.com.au

Hyundai i30 hatch may be axed, no new model planned – report

An unsubstantiated overseas report suggests Australia's second best-selling small car may not be replaced, once the current generation departs showrooms in 2023 – with its replacement to be a small SUV.

www.drive.com.au

 

[Carlos]

Looks like I got in just in time with my order for a new i30N.

Things are really getting a bit grim for petrol car lovers with a manual transmission and pretty soon a Porsche will be the only option new car over here in New Zealand.

The total lack of options now has to see some new models come out to fill the gap. The anticipated move to all electric in the next few years is simply not going to work so either someone keep building them or the second hand price of petrol cars will go through the roof.

Our power grid simply cannot handle all electric and as the number of EV's increase the price of petrol will go down. What will happen is road user charges go up for EV and pretty soon you will find its no cheaper to run the EV compared to the Petrol car. Seen it all happen already with Diesel, that started out 1/4 the price of petrol and 20 years later is practically the same by the time you slap the extra road user charge on top.

 

[Crocoman]

It’s already happening in the U.K. where the government have ‘aligned’ road tax across electric and combustion engine vehicles - which roughly translates into ‘too many people are switching to Electric and we need to get the same or more tax in from motorists’.

I always said, if everyone went out and bought electric tomorrow and ditched petrol/diesel cars/transport, respective governments would have a collective heart attack.

They want to manage the transition so that they can maximise the amount of money they can fleece consumers. Any climate/environmental impact or gain is purely incidental in my opinion.

 

[R Veloster N]

So, what government is doing is; legislating on behalf of private industry to get what they want and to bolster their profits for a lie!

It’s already happening in the U.K. where the government have ‘aligned’ road tax across electric and combustion engine vehicles - which roughly translates into ‘too many people are switching to Electric and we need to get the same or more tax in from motorists’.

I always said, if everyone went out and bought electric tomorrow and ditched petrol/diesel cars/transport, respective governments would have a collective heart attack.

They want to manage the transition so that they can maximise the amount of money they can fleece consumers. Any climate/environmental impact or gain is purely incidental in my opinion.

This is tyranny and profiteering. I won’t support any manufacturer or government who does. They can go bankrupt for all I care.

 

[nyhok]

To be honest 'road tax' in the UK hasn't actually been an infrastructure tax since the 1920's. It has been a car tax ever since hence the name Vehicle Exercise Duty or VED, so electric cars getting taxed was always on the cards.

The one I have most anger against was the London Congestion Charge scheme that was made specifically for "pollution" purposes only for it to be changed for all cars in 2025 cause everyone stopped driving in/cabs switched to Tesla's.

 

[Carlos]

Yep people switch to something they think is cheaper but the fact remains the government still need to pull in the same amount of tax or even more so the apparent savings don't last long before they start whacking you with a new tax to recover the lost tax.

 

[Cernunnos]

Yep people switch to something they think is cheaper but the fact remains the government still need to pull in the same amount of tax or even more so the apparent savings don't last long before they start whacking you with a new tax to recover the lost tax.

Already happening here in Norway. Almost no non-EVs are being sold by any brands anymore, because they have been taxed too heavily, and EVs have had so many tax benefits. Complete fossil fuel ban in 2025. Tax benefits on EVs are already being removed because they need to start making money on their new cow now.

 

[Carlos]

E-mailed my dealer here and there are no immediate plans to discontinue the i30N.

Basically the i30N will eventually go but then so does every design.

Euro 7 doesn't kick in until July 1st 2025 so there is a possibility of even a Series III before that time.

I would expect to be able to order a new i30N for the next couple of years unless Hyundai decide to pull it unnecessarily early.

 

[Jajodu]

Already happening here in Norway. Almost no non-EVs are being sold by any brands anymore, because they have been taxed too heavily, and EVs have had so many tax benefits. Complete fossil fuel ban in 2025. Tax benefits on EVs are already being removed because they need to start making money on their new cow now.

Isn't Norway one of the main supplier's of fossil fuels?

 

[Cernunnos]

Isn't Norway one of the main supplier's of fossil fuels?

Yes, though many of our politicians are also actively working against that, even though it is our main economic backbone.

The green lobbyist have gained a lot of power in this country, and we are the number one country in the world in terms of EV adoptation, which has almost everything to do with how politics have pushed major tax benefits on EVs in the name of going green, while heavily taxing fossil fueled cars.

We are a country who are moving at full speed towards committing economic suicide in the name of going green at all costs.

 

[Jajodu]

That's a bit having your cake and eating it. Typical government behaviour.

 

[R Veloster N]

Already happening here in Norway. Almost no non-EVs are being sold by any brands anymore, because they have been taxed too heavily, and EVs have had so many tax benefits. Complete fossil fuel ban in 2025. Tax benefits on EVs are already being removed because they need to start making money on their new cow now.

They’ll figure it out when no one can charge their EV’s during the winters. Already happened here with many. You’re not going to readily hear about it in the liberal media but none the less occurring regularly.

 

[Cernunnos]

That's a bit having your cake and eating it. Typical government behaviour.

Yes. They have completely forgotten how this country was built, and they dodge every question regarding what we will make a living of tomorrow.

We produce more electricity from hydro dams than we use for less than a couple of cents per kwh. We have an endless amount of rivers and waterfalls, and yet we are investing enormous sums into wind and ocean wind, even though they can never match hydro in price.

Somehow they managed to put our electricity on a EU electricity stock market, which means even though we produce green hydro power for almost nothing, we have to export it and buy it back at EU prices (and often more). Meaning we have gone from paying on average 3 cents per kwh for the past several decades, to paying 30-40 this past year and a bit. Not great in a cold country where every house and every business has been built on the assumption that electricity is cheap. People are literally freezing to death, and nothing is being done.

 

[R Veloster N]

Yes. They have completely forgotten how this country was built, and they dodge every question regarding what we will make a living of tomorrow.

We produce more electricity from hydro dams than we use for less than a couple of cents per kwh. We have an endless amount of rivers and waterfalls, and yet we are investing enormous sums into wind and ocean wind, even though they can never match hydro in price.

Somehow they managed to put our electricity on a EU electricity stock market, which means even though we produce green hydro power for almost nothing, we have to export it and buy it back at EU prices (and often more). Meaning we have gone from paying on average 3 cents per kwh for the past several decades, to paying 30-40 this past year and a bit. Not great in a cold country where every house and every business has been built on the assumption that electricity is cheap. People are literally freezing to death, and nothing is being done.

This is more about profit and greed. All this has to do with, creating an alternate industrial economy, despite petroleum.

 

[Cernunnos]

This is more about profit and greed. All this has to do with, creating an alternate industrial economy, despite petroleum.

Absolutely. That's mainly what the climate cause has boiled down to. It has nothing to do with saving the planet, and only to do with making a profit out of making people believe they are saving the planet.

 

[R Veloster N]

Correct, the planet doesn’t need saving, just proper stewardship and use of our resources without the creation of another energy industry based upon a lie.

Remember peak oil in the late 60’s and early 70’s. The same "ne-do-wells” screamed about it then, saying we only had 30 years of oil left and are screaming it again. It was a lie then and is now.

We have discovered even more oil fields much larger than the Saudi oil fields and are no where near peak oil production.

Same old schite then, just a newer generation drinking the same Koolaid again. The difference now is; the auto industry is being taken in by their lies.

Guess what, I don’t have to buy from them and I won’t. The only climate change we got is; coming out of the hot air being spewed.

 

[Carlos]

Its going to be an evolution.

Personally the way forward was smaller, lighter and more economical petrol cars but instead the market over here has gone the other way and is now 80% large SUV's that are as aerodynamic as a brick which is totally the opposite direction.

I think we could see an overshoot in Electric which then people will be forced to put in solar panels.

Everything is driven by COST and has nothing to do with saving the planet, people are directed in one direction or another by hitting their wallets.

If the price of electricity goes up or the grid falls over and then petrol comes down in price the result will be an equilibrium.

Fossil fuels are pretty much here to stay.

The fundamental problem that nobody wants to talk about is that there are now just too many people on the planet.

If we all went electric tomorrow all that allows is the population to continue unchecked and in 10 years time we will be back where we started.