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Y0UKN0WITSCHRIS

Y0UKN0WITSCHRIS

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This issue is just like my intermittent hard starting. It’s so sporadic and there’s really no rhyme or reason behind it. Other than maybe every 5-6 start ups I’ll get lifter tap for about 3 secs upon start ups and then it goes away. The engine runs flawlessly otherwise. And I always let it cool down after a hard run and it did it with the factory oil and also the PUP that I’ve been running for 2500 miles now. Anybody else having the same issue ?
 
Do you have a vid that captures the sound clearly? All of the bucket tappets make noise, just one or a few?
 
GazmaN said:
What is your ambient temperature over there right now, and does it only present itself on cold starts?
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Ambient temp is about 65°F but it has done it with when it was colder and warmer. The temp variations don’t cause it to happened more or less
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
Do you have a vid that captures the sound clearly? All of the bucket tappets make noise, just one or a few?
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I will try to start recording start ups. And I know the bucket tappets tend to be noiser but this isn’t happening in any kind of pattern. It does it when the engines cold/hot during the fresh start in the morning or after running errands allday. There’s not much of a pattern
 
As we all should know, this Theta-II (G4KH) engine has electronically-controlled variable valve timing (E-CVVT).

It just hit me that perhaps the cam positions at startup could be causing this issue (maybe due to E-CVVT error?). If, that is, the noise is confirmed to actually be from the bucket tappets or other valvetrain components.
 
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Cygnus X-1 said:
As we all should know, this Theta-II (G4KH) engine has electronically-controlled variable valve timing (E-CVVT).

It just hit me that perhaps the cam positions at startup could be causing this issue (maybe due to E-CVVT error?). If, that is, the noise is confirmed to actually be from the bucket tappets or other valvetrain components.
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Hmmm very good point. Has anyone else experienced tapping upon start up ? Or am I alone on this one.
 
Today I thought I heard a tapping or something upon start up while leaving work. I lowered the music and tried changing driving modes to see if it got louder. Not sure what happened but If I did hear something it went away rather quickly. The car wasn't cold but was sitting for about 3 hours.
 
Y0UKN0WITSCHRIS said:
This issue is just like my intermittent hard starting. It’s so sporadic and there’s really no rhyme or reason behind it. Other than maybe every 5-6 start ups I’ll get lifter tap for about 3 secs upon start ups and then it goes away. The engine runs flawlessly otherwise. And I always let it cool down after a hard run and it did it with the factory oil and also the PUP that I’ve been running for 2500 miles now. Anybody else having the same issue ?
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I've had this ever since mine was new. The dealership has never been able to replicate it.

I live in a fairly hot climate and park the car on a slight slope if it makes any difference.
 
CleanSlate said:
I've had this ever since mine was new. The dealership has never been able to replicate it.

I live in a fairly hot climate and park the car on a slight slope if it makes any difference.
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N Faded oD said:
Today I thought I heard a tapping or something upon start up while leaving work. I lowered the music and tried changing driving modes to see if it got louder. Not sure what happened but If I did hear something it went away rather quickly. The car wasn't cold but was sitting for about 3 hours.
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have either of you had the hard starts as well ? And how many miles are on yours clean slate ? My N has been in mostly cold weather due to me getting it in January and our winters can be harsher. But spring has brought weather into the 70-80s with varying levels of humidity. And I’ve had it tap and hard start in all conditions so far.
 
Y0UKN0WITSCHRIS said:
have either of you had the hard starts as well ? And how many miles are on yours clean slate ? My N has been in mostly cold weather due to me getting it in January and our winters can be harsher. But spring has brought weather into the 70-80s with varying levels of humidity. And I’ve had it tap and hard start in all conditions so far.
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I've got fourteen thousand km on mine. So about eight and a half thousand miles. What do you mean hard start?
 
CleanSlate said:
I've got fourteen thousand km on mine. So about eight and a half thousand miles. What do you mean hard start?
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My N will struggle to start occasionally. Like it will start for a millisecond and then shut back off. Or crank for 5-6 secs and then barely turn over.
 
Y0UKN0WITSCHRIS said:
My N will struggle to start occasionally. Like it will start for a millisecond and then shut back off. Or crank for 5-6 secs and then barely turn over.
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It's only been slow to start once and that was after I had drained the battery a little by using a bunch of electrics while the engine was running.

I must admit, I'm not a fan of how the engine sounds:

 
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That’s the good ol’ T-GDI HPFP chattering away. Not quite as high of pressure as a diesel fuel pump, but just imagine if it didn’t have the foam surrounding it.
 
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Oh yea - sorry to add confusion. That is the normal sound and not the sound which is a much more distinct tap when the car is first started some mornings.
 
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