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PowerLee

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From what I've seen reported elsewhere, some countries the LSD will be standard & other countries it will be an optional extra.

We will just have to wait for final launch specifications to be released from Hyundai.
 

Jepper

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Concerning the GR Yaris: I fully agree is in a different segment really, both price and performance. 200 hp in a small lightweight car seems a proven formula that Hyundai wanted to do. Makes sense as the there will be no new Clio RS, no Peugeot 208 GTI. Polo GTI is automatic only and supposed not very involving. In its class that leaves pretty much Fiesta ST as only peer.

I think they have made an effort to keep weight down and just intended to provide a very “rounded package” (not hardcore or extreme in any specific way). Also much beyond 200 hp could create issues with putting down power (without a 4 wheel system) in slippery conditions which some might not appreciate. Keeping it at 200hp also means the tax level will be a bit more manageable in certain markets (at least here in EU). One reason I’m not getting the GR Yaris is the super high tax cost for such as small car where I live. Here Fiesta ST, Polo GTI etc. are quite a bit more affordable in yearly tax than GR Yaris and the class above (I30n etc.).

I am excited to see options, colours etc. The press release on i20n says 6 colours (w. black roof option) but then on this (newer) page it says 7 colours...
 

gdh300

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I can't help feeling the Yaris GR is so capable (far more than I am as driver!) that I'd never experience anything near the full spectrum of its handing on the public road, not without risking my licence. I won't ever do a track day, so with my sensible head on, the i20N is probably all the performance I'd ever need. Hopefully it won't be so very capable that it can't still be a bit unruly when conditions aren't great, which is a bit childish I know but at least it's fun!

As for colours, there's a lot of surfaces and maybe a bit too many different finishes (black, red, chrome etc). I'm not a fan of black cars but I might consider it to tone down the look. But as ever, I guess you need to see it in the metal.
 
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GutZZ

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One question about this 1.6 engine, for those with more experience on these latest engine gens, how reliable these are, to what brand we can compare this 1.6 to in terms reliability?
 

R Veloster N

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I don't know to be honest. This is the newer smart stream engine and a first for Hyundai, so it remains to be seen. There's nothing like it on the market to compare with.
It's dual port injection, which is a plus over the normal GDI engine. It will definately keep the intake valves clean and eliminate the problems inherent in the GDI and carbon deposits.

There's a bit of reading here but is very informative with regards to the engine technology. :) 👍
 

Paolo5

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I don't know to be honest. This is the newer smart stream engine and a first for Hyundai, so it remains to be seen. There's nothing like it on the market to compare with.
It's dual port injection, which is a plus over the normal GDI engine. It will definately keep the intake valves clean and eliminate the problems inherent in the GDI and carbon deposits.

There's a bit of reading here but is very informative with regards to the engine technology. :) 👍
Thanks for the link.
I read the article a few times but could not find the part that said that the G1.6 T-GDi engine had dual port injection.
Only-
*Models with Dual Fuel Injection: Smartstream G2.5 GDi / T-GDi
*Models with Dual Fuel Injection + Center Injection: Smartstream G3.5 GDi / T-GDi

which I interpreted as being the 2.5 and 3.5 litre engines only.

The G1.6 T-GDi was listed as having CVVD (Continuously Variable Valve Duration) and HTCS (High Tumble Combustion System).

I contacted Hyundai Australia and asked about the type of injection system used in the G1.6 T-GDi engine but have been told on 2 occasions that Hyundai Australia has no knowledge on this matter.

I asked that the query be referred to the Chief Technical Officer at Hyundai Australia or the same at Hyundai in Sth Korea if Australia had no knowledge of this matter but was told-
"I do understand where you are coming from.

However again, we have no news or information.

If information does become available it will be released on our website.'

As far as my reading has gone, this engine was releasd some time around the middle of 2019...in the Sonata Turbo. Its injection seems to be a well-guaded secret.
 
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Jepper

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Interesting to hear what system it actually is if eventually possible to unravel that secret.

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I get the feeling that it is direct injection (not dual port). The dual port seems to be mpi models only as far as I understand.


Of course its best to get prober confirmation from hyundai.
 
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2. More Effective Combustion
Dual-Port Fuel Injection (DPFI)

With the valve control and the intercooler having done their jobs, the next step is to inject fuel. The important aspects of fuel injection are twofold: where to inject and how strong, and how atomized, the injection should be. The location, pressure, and pattern of injection determine the ratio by which the fuel mixes with the air; if it mixes well, its stable combustion can improve fuel economy and reduce the emission of harmful gases. To this end, Hyundai Motor Group has worked to discover and select the optimal injection pattern for every engine.

MPi engines structurally inject the fuel into the intake ports, so it is essential, for the sake of fuel economy and emission reduction, to minimize the amount of wall film that sticks to the ports or the combustion chamber walls.


DPFI uses two injectors for each intake port to better maintain the stable air/fuel ratio in the mixer, which also improves the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) ratio, with benefits to the fuel economy. In addition, further atomization of fuel droplets mitigated spray evaporation, which reduced the emission of harmful particulate matter (PM).

*Models with DPFI: Smartstream G1.0 / G1.2 / 1.6

Here ^ easy to miss if you aren't looking. They spoke about it much earlier in other articles and releases, along with the unique CVVD system. It ought to be a good engine.
 

Paolo5

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Thanks for your reply, R Veloster N.
On reading the article again, the question is (for me) whether the1.6 engine in " *Models with DPFI: Smartstream G1.0 / G1.2 / 1.6 " is the same as what is referred to as the
"G1.6 T-GDi" in the article.

I seem to have read a few months ago (but can't locate that article now) that the fuel injectors in the G1.6 T-GDi engine have been slightly re-positioned so that they are now closer to the intake valves. From memory, the injection of fuel sprays slightly over the intake valves and the entire intake valve (upper) surfaces now get this spray when the valve spins as it is opening and shutting....but I could be imagining reading this!

If you have any further mention of DPFI being in this engine, I would love to read it!
 

GutZZ

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How about the materials used for longevity of the engine? i have seen problems on the 2.0 TGDi of the i30 N wich the pistons wear out too quickly because the too reduced hight of it, is the 1.6 engine have the same problems? Does anything i wrote have any sense or am just saying nonsense?
 

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How about the materials used for longevity of the engine? i have seen problems on the 2.0 TGDi of the i30 N wich the pistons wear out too quickly because the too reduced hight of it, is the 1.6 engine have the same problems? Does anything i wrote have any sense or am just saying nonsense?
And were the problems you read about concerning the N in a standard car or a tuned one?
I can't remember having read of pistonproblems in an standard N, in tuned N's I have.
 

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Piston are not a problem on either engine.
Thanks for your reply, R Veloster N.
On reading the article again, the question is (for me) whether the1.6 engine in " *Models with DPFI: Smartstream G1.0 / G1.2 / 1.6 " is the same as what is referred to as the
"G1.6 T-GDi" in the article.

I seem to have read a few months ago (but can't locate that article now) that the fuel injectors in the G1.6 T-GDi engine have been slightly re-positioned so that they are now closer to the intake valves. From memory, the injection of fuel sprays slightly over the intake valves and the entire intake valve (upper) surfaces now get this spray when the valve spins as it is opening and shutting....but I could be imagining reading this!

If you have any further mention of DPFI being in this engine, I would love to read it!
Any 1.6 Smartstream engine according to Hyundai. I don't know about what you may or may not have read. Dual Port injection has two sets of injectors as shown in the illustration. As I understand it, the G1 smartstream same 1.6 short blocks which are utilized in all production engines NA or Turbocharged. I imagine it simply the internals that are different.

The Accent was the first that received the G1 1.6 NA DPI to be introduced.
I'm not an expert on the engine by far but I have read a considerable amount and all refer to these engine as DPI rather NA or Turbocharged. That's the best that I can offer.
In addition to the 1.6L turbo, the Smartstream collective includes a naturally aspirated 2.5L 4-cyl. (code name G4K) in the new Sonata and a naturally aspirated 1.6L 4-cyl. with dual-port fuel injection in the Accent subcompact.
 

jakpolivka

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Hyundai Australia brought the i20N prototype to the ''N Festival'' yesterday at Queenslad Raceway. First impressions from the people who had a passenger ride on track seems really positive. Here are some pictures of the car that were shared on facebook by the attendants.
I also found a new review posted today by a german magazine that shows the digital cluster in different modes and N settings integration into the infotainment. The car has got brake cooling ducts on the control arm which I'm really glad about, because i didn't think it has any brake cooling like the i30N since there is no duct in the front bumper. Also notice the missing engine undertray which was supposed to be ''modified' for the i20N according to the hyundai press release..I guess cooling is more important than aerodynamics 😄
Link to the video review:
Overall the design is starting to grow on me even more, the front looks great, just the rear end needs some getting used to. Performance wise it seems like a capable package thats promising to be just as good if not(hopefully) better than the fiesta ST, especially on track. Hopefully I'm gonna be just as impressed when I test drive one and end up ordering it :D Should be a proper succesor to my current ST180
 

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gdh300

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The four or five Australian journalists seemed to be smiling! But that was at a circuit, not over our broken tarmac (and to be fair, they did say that).

The only thing they commented negatively about was the length of third gear, which they felt was too long. Apparently it is geared deliberately to 100km/h in second so third has been stretched out accordingly. They may change when it goes into production, but I wonder if this would really be an issue in everyday driving; third is going to span everything from trundling in traffic round town to speeds well beyond the legal limit when overtaking on your favourite A-road.
 
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Jepper

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My German language is pretty bad, but I'm pretty sure I get the central points. In general he really like the car alot (yes he can't really contain his excitement). He just point out there is no adaptive damping and the suspension is really 'sporty' (=pretty hard). That is the only negative that subtract from his finale score (A-). I don't think lack of comfort (suspension-wise) is worse than other hot hatches he just point out its something to be aware of because you have to live with it all the time (due to the lack of adaptibility obviously). However he also compares it to a Porche 911 stating both have the quality to master a truly 'sporty feel' while working perfectly fine as daily drivers.
I think the car looks super entertaining to drive. More than anything else it is obviously built to make the driver smile and have fun.